The alliance carefully crafted in February March 2015. The alliance of great expectations seen as a historical opportunity of BJP PDP has ended and one of the architect of that alliance was also the man who made that announcement that it has ended. Mr. Ram Madhav.
MARYA: Would you agree with your opponents today that this was historical blunder?
Ram Madhav: No this was a historical alliance we do not believe in political untouchability you see ideologies are black and white but politics in democracy has many Shades it it is multi layered and multi colored if you succeed in managing these colors you can create a nice rainbow. Let me end the metaphor there, because rainbows naturally have a very short life. We attempted a historical alliance because that was the compulsion of the moment, people forget without this Alliance what was left as a option in that point in time was president’s rule. People had given the mandate we want to respect that Mandate and that’s why we formed the alliance. I myself have put in a lot of effort into it was not an easy alliance, I’ve said so in the past. My entire party upto the PM had invested heavily in the alliance hoping it would deliver goods to the people and I can tell you in three years we have achieved many things but a Point has reached where we have to take the unfortunate and sorry decision yesterday I won’t call it unfortunate but I will certainly call it sorry.
MARYA: How do you respond to this charge that this was an opportunistic alliance and it ended also on an opportunistic note because you were looking at elections and because you are looking elections in 2019?
RAM MADHAV: Naturally I deny that allegation first of all as I said this was subtly a kind of an experimental type of alliance because as Mufti sahab used to describe it was a coming together of north pole and south pole. We stood apart as ideologies but such things have happened in the past also. Samyuk Vidhakya Dal experiment or for that matter when VP Singh’s government was formed on one side BJP was supporting and on the other the Left was supporting. Similar experiments were made in the past it only shows the maturity of our democracy we can work together we are not enemies, we can work together but for such experiments to succeed both sides have to have extreme perseverance extreme commitment to the common good. If at one point parties are thinking what is my interest what should I do apart from whatever we had the as the common understanding then trouble begins. In this particular case, I don’t want to indulge in a blame game but we came to the situation where we started feeling that perhaps that between the larger national interest and the local political interest, our partner is weighing more on the local side. That’s where we had to take a call for a party like BJP which is a national party, committed to national integrity sovereignty we had to take a stand. Having said that, together we tried to do so many good things for the state.
MARYA: You have quoted Mukti Mohammed saying that this was a North Pole South Pole experiment did it really work and who gained between the PDP and BJP?
RAM MADHAV: Alliances in many situations work and don’t work, no alliance is easy. Why do you think our government fell in 1999. Was jayalalitha our ideological adversary? No real politics dictated her to pull out. No ideological clash but real politics that dictated her decision to pull out and led to the collapse of the government. Alliances are always difficult. In this case what finally led us to come out is nothing opportunistic, we extended full support in last three years. Whether home minister or ministry or the PM or his office, it has extended full support to the alliance but we have reached a point where we felt that continuance of BJP in the government is untenable and also let me tell you Jammu and Kashmir needs governer’s rule, at least for some period.
MARYA: Tell me what was the moment in the last three years where the alliance came under maximum pressure because this was the alliance that weathered the violence post Khuran vanis killing and the alliance which weathered the difference of opinion over article 370 and also over the fallout of Katua gang rape?
RAM MADHAV: This alliance was, as everyone cited, an unusual alliance. Today, some people, even from out supporters group, say that we said so. But they don’t realize that at that point had we not formed the government, the people of Jammu would have thought that having given 25 seats if BJP couldn’t come to power why should we ever vote for them in Jammu. So there was a compulsion for us and there was a political opportunity. It started off on a rocky road, you remember the initial statements of mufti sahab. Lot of controversy over that but it still went on. We tried to learn each other well and started working together well. Occasions came when there was strong dissent on both sides and U would recall I would call it an unfortunate thing but in eleventh months’ time, Mufti sahab had passed away. That was the first major setback for the alliance and mehbooba ji took her time thus giving a feeling to the other side that she was not fully on board with the alliance, but she took her time. Then we together formed the government. There were occasions where we had a difference of opinion and difficult situations but I can tell you we have handled it with political maturity. Mehbooba ji has shown her political maturity to handle the situations. Talking about vahni and subsequent violence and many other occasions, there was larger consensus we could run it. You see in the last one and a half months we saw noticeable deterioration in the security situation at one level, an amount of political posturing at the other level. Now for us, it may be right for PDP to say to insist that no no no even after dozens of deaths in the valley during that one month of ramzan, suspension of operations. Even when there was no reciprocation from the militants terrorists (I dont want to give respect to them by calling them militants) separatists like the khuriat. There was no response from them. Political activists in the Valley were not playing any role even after there was suspension of operations from the government side and then the insistance That you talk to Pakistan and you come and extend the suspension of operations, even after in broad daylight somebody like sujad bhukari, respected journalist who was one of the senior voices in the valley, gets killed in Srinagar city. Still we expect that you know ceasefire or suspension of operations should continue, we felt that there’s a growing mismatch and for us the larger interest of the state and its national integrity. They are large points.
MARYA: Till a few weeks ago you had gone on record to say that this governmenternment in Jammu and Kashmir is stable so was it the events of the last one and a half months that led to this alliance ending?
RAM MADHAV: We tried our best to maintain the alliance and ensure that the governments lasts it’s full term that’s the reason why many of us were not fully on board when prime minister and home minister took the decision of suspension of operations upon the request of madam mehbooba mufti, we said fair enough let us give that also a chance. But as I said the happening the innocent policemen getting killed, there were attacks on cities in towns where earlier no terrorist used to date to enter. Today they were operating out of towns out of cities so then we felt that there is a need for a strong governmenternment a strong control over the situation. That’s when we took this decision.
MARYA: Sir, mufti Mohammed Sayid was seen as adding the political heft that was needed for the alliance to hold would you say that Mehbooba mufti was inexperienced in handling complex issues and complex situations.
RAM MADHAV: She is not at all inexperienced she has close to almost 30, more than 20 years of active political life she is experienced she has a clear idea about where she stands about where PDP stands when it comes to Jammu Kashmir and its relationship with the rest of the country and all these issues and you have seen her taking a very good nationalist stance on many issues in the last three years. Standing on the floor of the Assembly she took a very firm stand against terrorism and against killings in the valley it’s another matter, her political approach is different from our political approach which she called as masculine approach which we disagree with her usage of this term. Killing of innocent policemen and killing of journalists like Sujad Bhukari, not controlling it, if it is the soft approach. I’m sorry we don’t want that kind of a soft approach.
MARYA: But sir, what did the alliance really achieve because in your own words you have said that terrorism violence and radicalization have risen and the fundamental rights of the citizens of the valley was in danger. And 2018 has been the bloodiest year in the valley in the last 10 years.
RAM MADHAV: I don’t agree with the conclusion that 2018 has been the bloodiest year because 2011-12 had seen much serious violence where 15,000 civilians were injured and 120 civilians were killed. In this year it was about 60 terrorists were killed and about 2 dozen civilians but it’s not about numbers let me make it very clear. I am again repeating in the last 3 years on the Civilian front and on the development front we tried to do so many things as far as BJP is concerned, as far as central government is concerned. They have extended a package of 80000 crores for the development of the state of which close to 25000 crores has already been dispersed in the state. In all the three regions, that’s what has led to a good amount of developmental activity see in state like Jammu and Kashmir besides developmental activity, strong political activity and activism is also needed we wanted local bodies elections to be held but that could not take place. Mere development is not enough.
MARYA: Political activism when you say that that is because mehbooba mufti did not display that political activism?
RAM MADHAV: No I am not blaming any particular individual I am making a General observation one can deduce from it. In Kashmir Valley for example we announced a month long suspension of operations it was a gesture made out of goodwill not out of any weakness. We were on a strong wicket before that we were neutralizing the terrorist on a regular basis yet we decided that Ramzan, a holy month, we should give the people some kind of a peace some kind of a gap let then observe the month piously and let us hope some best reciprocation happens and for that reciprocation to happen let the political activists take responsibility in the hands but neither political activists show any interest neither did they show any interest in reaching out to people and encouraging political activity nor was there any response.
MARYA: But Mr. Madhav, would you say then that you ready the situation wrongly that guy agreed with Mehbooba mufti to have the ceasefire in ramzan because let’s not forget sir your Alliance has been functioning for the last three years. Why didn’t we see this kind of ceasefire last year or a year before that? Why this year.
RAM MADHAV: Why now has no answer honestly speaking anything I do you can say why are you doing it now. That’s not the question, the issue is no we were doing hot pursuit of the terrorists. There was a strong suggestion from Madam Mehbooba Mufti and her party that let us try it out. Let’s try and unilaterally show a gesture of goodwill which we showed and I’ll tell you this gesture has gone down very well with the people of the valley and on that issue I agree with madam Mehbooba ji and she said yesterday that the peace has given a lot of relief to the people of the valley yes but then at the same time for that to sustain there should be active political engagement but that doesn’t happen if we are not able to engage with the groups that are out to create unrest in the valley how can we continue.
MARYA : Did that gesture not go down well with the people of Jammu?
RAM MADHAV: It’s not about the people of Jammu when Innocents get killed when policemen get killed when regular attacks happened on army convoy CRPF convoys and security forces are seen as to be not doing anything in retaliation naturally a bad impression is created in the rest of the country you must remember that we take that risk in order to try out a big Goodwill gesture we knew that in the rest of the country the optics will be bad yet we took that risk but when there is no reciprocation yet the Desire that you should perpetually continue that’s when we felt that there is a mismatch
MARYA: IN AN INTERVIEW TO US FORMER ARMY CHIEF VIKRAM SINGH HAS SAID THAT THERE WAS TRUST DEFECEIT BETWEEN ARMY AND MEHBOOBA MUFTI GOVERNMENTT AND THAT PERHAPS HAMPERED SECURITY OPERATIONS ON GROUND WHY DID NOT THE CENTRE? WHY DID NOT BJP PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE ENSURING THAT TRUST DEFECID IS BREAKING.
RAM MADHAV: MEHBOOBA MUFTI AS CM HAD THE UNIFIED COMMAND IN THE UNIFIED COMMAND THE CORE COMMAND OF ARMY IN SRINAGAR AND THE POLICE AND THE PARA MILITARY FORCES AND THE INTELLIGENCE ALL OF THEM ARE MEMBERS IN LAST 3 YEARS THERE WAS NO OCCASION WHEN ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE CAME BACK TO THE GOVERNMENTT AT LEAST NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO GOVERNMENTT AND SAID NO IN THE CORE COMMAND WERE NOT ABLE TO CONVINCE THE LEADERSHIP FOR THE HEAD OF THE CORE COMKMAND SO I DO NOT KNOW GENERAL VICTOR HAD MORE INFORMATION THAN ME BUT IN THE LAST 3 YEARS THE EFFORT AS FAR AS ARMY OR OTHER CONCERNED THE EFFORT OF THOSE FORCES WERE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES GIVEN BY THE GOVERNMENTT IN SRINAGAR.
MARYA: ELECTION IN CM’S OWN CONSTITUENCY COULD NOT BE HELD IN THE LAST 2 YEARS IN FACT IT WAS FINALLY SCARPPED FOR THE 1ST TIME IN 25 YEARS. IF U LOOK AT THE POLLING PERCENTAGE IN THE BY POLES OF SRINAGAR IT WAS LESS THAN 10%. WOULD YOU SAY AND DO U THINK THAT MAINSTRREAM POLITICAL SPACE IN KASHMIR HAS WITH HEARD IN THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS??
RAM MADHAV: NO CREDIBLE EFFORTS HAD BEEN MADE ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH KASHMIR BY POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT TO RESTORE SPACE FOR THE MAINSTREAM POLITICAL ACTIVITY I PERSONALLY FEEL IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE ON OUR PART TO NOT HOLD ELECTION IN ANANTARA TIME THAT HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION AT THAT TIME ITSELF IN ELECTIONS AFTER COMPLETING SRINAGAR THE DECISION WAS TAKEN TO POSTPONE ANATARAN. WE HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION SO BE IT IN ITS WISDOM ELECTION COMMISIONER HAD DECID3ED NOT TO HOLD ELECTION AND AS THEY SAID POLITICAL ACTIVITY COULD HAVE BEEN KICK STARTED HOLDING LOCAL BODIES POLLS WE HAVE REPEATDELY ASKED THE STATE GOVERNMENTT WE HAVE EVEN SUGGESTED A TIMELINE MEHBOOBA HAD A DIFFERENT OPININ ABOUT HOLDING THE ELECTION SHE FELT IT WOULD AGAIN GIVE RISE TO VIOLENCE IN THE STATE THAT IS WHY IO SAID SOMEWHERE WE LACKED THE POLITICAL WILL. AS FAR AS LOCAL BODY ELECTION IS CONCERNED INITIALLY I HAD A FEELING PROBABLY WE SHOULD POSTPONE TILL APRIL THE ORIGINAL SESSION WAS HOLD IN JANUARARY WE HAD AGREE TO POSTPONE IT MARCH APRIL BUT NOW WE DO NOT SEE IT COMING ANYWHERE
MARYA: TALKING ABOUT ARTICLE 370 BJP LEADERS ARE AT THE CENTRE AND ALSO AT J&K HAVGE KEPT ON TALKING ABOUT SCARPING ARTICLE 370 BUT YOU WENT QUITE BECAUYSE MEHBOOBA MUFTI CLEARLY PUT HER FOOT DOWN HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR U?
RAM MADHAV: I ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ARTICLE 370 WHAT SHOULD BE THE FUTURE OF IT SHOULD BE DECIDED BY INDIAN PARLIAMENT NOT THE J&K ASSEMBLY FIRST JUST TO BE DECIDED BY INDIAN PARLIAMENT AS FAR AS THE ALLIANCE GOVERNMENTT IS CONCERNED WE STATED IT VERY CATEGORTICALLY IN OUR AGENDA OF ALLIANCE THAT WE HOLD DIFFERENT OPINION ON 370 BJP HAS A VIEW AND PDP HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW YET THERE IS AN ISSUE ESSENTIALLY TO THE PARLIAMENT OF INDIA PENDING WHAT PARLIAMENT DECIDES WE WILL WORK TOGETHER FURTHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE IN OTHER ISSUE SO OUR QUESTION REMAINS NOT AN ISSUE FOR J&K IT COMES TO J&K LATER FIRST IT IS THE MATTER OF GOVERNMENTT OF INDIA OR PARLIAMENT OF INDIA TO DECIDE
MARYA: TALKING OF THE ISSUE OF SETTING UP THE COLONIES FOR KASHMIRI PANDITS YOU TALKED ABOUT IT U FINALLY PUT IN THE BACKBURN PERHAPS PDP WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT IS THAT THE CASE?
RAM MADHAV: NO NOT REALLY WHEN MUFTI SAHAB WAS THE CM AND WE SAT TOGETHER AND LISTED NAMES OF IMPORTANT PANDIT LEADERS AND WE HELD ONE MEETING IN DELHI THERE WAS VERY GOOD DISCUSSION THERE WAS TRUST BUILDING LOT OF SUGGESTIONS CAME 2ND MEETING HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN JAMMU AND SRINAGAR BUT MUFTI SAHAB HAD PASSED AWAY. AFTERWARDS MEHBOOBA JI HAD TAKEN UP HER OWN INITIATIVES TO ENagage WITH THE PANDITS I DO NOT KNOW THE REAWSON BUT NEVER THE LESS BUT ALSO HELD , MEETING WITH PANDIT RELATIVES IN ORDER TO TAKE THAT PROCESS OF REHABLATION AND RESETTLEMENT IN THE VALLEY FORWARD NOW CHALLENGE HER GIVEN THE SECRETARY SCENARIO WE HAVE TO LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN PLACE ACTUALLY TAKING PANDITS BACK IN THE VALLEY THE SECURITY SCENARIO IS SUCH TODAY THAT ANY SUCH NOBLE INITIATIVE NEED TO WAIT FOR SOME TIME DOE NOT MEAN WE ARE NEGLECTING IT 100 OF PANDITS HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED AND THEY HAVE BEEN CREATED COLONIES IN THE NUMBER OF TOWNS IN THE VALLEY AND STAY THERE AND GO TO THEIR JOB BUT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO SO FOR SECURITY REASON IT IS NOT AS EASY AS WE DESCRIBE AS WE SAYING IN TV STUDIO YET OUR COMMITTEE IS THERE AS I SAID WE HELD MEETINGS WITH THEM TODAYS ITS GOVERNMENTERNER’S RULE HE WILL CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR SENDING THEM BACK
MARYA: MR. MADHAV THIS IS COMMON COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAMME WHICH WAS RELEASED BY THE PDP BJP WHEN THEY FORMED THE COALITION GOVERNMENTT TELL ME 3 ACHIEVEMENTS OF THIS IN LAST 3 YEARS?
RAM MADHAV: WORKING TOGTHER FOR 3 YEARS AT LEAST HAVING GET COMMON UNDERSTANDING FOR TACKLING TERRORISM IN THE VALLEY THAT WE SHOULD GO AFTER THEM AND NEUTRALISE THEM. THAT IS ONE MAJOR THING I WOULD SAY. DEVELOPMENT FRONT WILL CREDIT FOR BJP MINISTERS WHO HAVE DEVELIVERED THERE BEST IN ALL THE 3 VALLEYS IN IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATIONAL VALLEY ANY DEVELOPMENT LIKELY TO DELIEVERED IN VALLEY IN THE GIVEN SCENARIO ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH KASHHMIR NEVERTHELESS DEVELOPMENTAL FRONT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO A LOT OVERALL IN 3 YEARS EXCEPT ON THE MAJOR SECURITY FRONT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ON DAILY BASIS IN ALLIANCE U SEE MAHARASHTRAN ALLIANCE THEY ARE TOGETHER
MARYA: QUESTION ON DIALOUGE ON HURIYAT CONFERENCE IT SAYS THE COALITION GOVERNMENTT WILL FACILITATE SUSTAINED DIALOUGES WITH ALL STAKE HOLDERS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR IDEOLOGICAL VIEWS BJP BEING SAID HAD A VERY MUSCULAR APPROACH U HAD SAID IT CLEARLY THERE IS NO QUESTION OF TALK WITH THE HURIYAT OR WITH THE SEPERATISTS WOULD U AGREE ON THIS POINT THEN WHY WAS KIT MENTIONED ONJ COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAMME.
RAM MADHAV: HOME MINISTER HIMSELF WAS ON RECORD STATING REPEATDELY THAT WE ARE READY TO ENGAGE WITH ALL THE SECTIONS WHPOEVER WANTS TO ENAGAGE WITH US WE HAVE APPOINTED AN INTERLOCK TUTOR HE IS ENGAGING WITH DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND ON THE HURIYAT FRONT ALSO TODAY FOR THYE 1ST TIME IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA LET ME TELL U THERE WAS ENOUGH PROGRESS FOR BRINGING THYE HURIYAT LEADERSHIP ONTO THE NEGOTIATION TABLE I WON’T SAY BEYOND THAT BUT DEVELOPEMNT IN LAST 2 WEEKS HAVE PUSHED US BACK TO SQUARE ONE WE WILL SEE HOW IT PROGRESSES IN COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAMME WE SAID WE ARE WILLING TO ENGAGE ALL THE SECTION OF THE SOCIETY BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS WAS ABOUT STATE GOVERNMENTT COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAMME IS A DOCUMENT OF STATE GOVERNMENTT WE CAME TOGETHER TO FORM THE STATE GOVERNMENTT. IT IS WILLING TO TALK TO ANYBODY AND HURIYAT OR NO HURIYAT THEY ARE LIVING IN THE STATE THEY HAVE EVRY RIGHT TO TALK TO THE STATE GOVERNMENTT WHY ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION AS FOR THE CENTRE IS CONCERNED INTERLOCK IS STILL THERE HE IS THERE TO CONTINUE HIS EFFORTS TO ENGAGE IN THE SOCIETY AS FAR AS I KNOW GOVERNMENTT HAS NOT ANNOUCE ANY DESHANT TO ANY INTERLOCK ALSO WE HAVE PULLED OUT THE GOVERNMENTT BUT OUR APPROACH IS MULTI PRONG APPROACH WE WILL PURSUE THE TERRORIST TO THE LAST MAN THE LAST TERRORIST IN THE VALLEY WILL BE NEUTRALISED.
MARYA: DID U REALLY FOLLOW THE ALLIANCE DHARMA BECAUSE U DID NOT INFORMED UR ALLIANCE MEHBOOBA MUFTI U WOULD BE WALKING OUT OF THE ALLIANCE SHE WAS COMPLETELY UNAWARE.
RAM MADHAV: THESE ARE INTERNAL MATTERS I SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSUING THESE THINGFS IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA I DID TRY TO REACH OUT TO HER BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SENT OUT THE FAX MSG TO HONOURABLE GOVERNMENTERNER WE COULD NOT TALK BEFORE WE COULD SEND IT OUT BY THE TIME WE COULD WITH EACH OTHER THE LETTER HAD ALREADY GONE BUT THEN ITS NOT BREAKING OF ANY COALITION DHARMA WE CAME TOGETHER, WE DECIDED TO PART WAYS AND SENT THAT MSG TO HOMNOURABLE GOVERNMENTERNER WE DID TRY BUT COUL NOT REACH OUT TO HER
MARYA: WAS IT A PREMTIVE STRIKE BECAUSE HAD ALMOST FORSEEN MEHBOOBA MUFTI BECAUSE SHE WAS ALSO LOOSING CORE CONSTITUENCY IN KASHMIR WOULD INEVITABLY WALK OUT OF THE ALLIANCE BEFORE ELECTION SO U TOOK THE FIRST MOVE AND HENCE HAVE A UPPER HAND IN NARRATIVE THAT WOULD BE PLAYING OUT HENCEFORTH.
RAM MADHAV: I WOULD INSIST IN THIS DECISION U SEE I WAS ONE OF THE PERSON INVOLVED IN BRINGING THIS ALLIANCE TOGETHER I WORKED FOR 40 DAYS WITH HASEEB JABOO ON BUIOLDING THIS AGENDA AGREEMENT WITH THE 2 PARTIES IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR ME TO DIGEST EVEN I WAS COMMUNICATED I SHOULD TAKE THIS STEP NOW ALTHOUGH I SUGGESTED THAT AT SOME POINT PROBABLY WE HAVE TO VIEW THESE STATE FROM GOVERNMENTERNER RULE FOR SOMETIME NO TIME HONOURABLE PM HOME MINISTER PRESIDENT WHATSEVER POLITICS IN CONSIDERATION IT WAS THE LARGER INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR, INDIA AND OUR COMMITMENT TO NATIONAL INTEGRITY OUR DETERMINATION TO CURB TERRORISM AND PROTECT BASIC FUNDAMENTAK RIGHTS OF KASHMIR VALLEY IF SENIOR JOURNALIST GETS KILLED AND WE SAY SOFT APPROACH IS NEEDED THAT WAY WE CAN NOT RUN IT WAS ONLY AND ONLY THE INTEREST OF J&K AND INDIA AND OUR LARGER COMMITMENT TO NATIONAL INTEGRITY THAT HAS DRIVEN US TI THIS DECISION.
MARYA: ARE YOU SADDENED BY THE DECISION OF UR PARTY
AT SOME LEVEL YES U ARE VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH IT COLLAPSES I AM DEFINETLY SAD THAT COULD NOT LAST BUT ALSO HAPPY THAT IT LASTED FOR 3 YEARS
RAM MADHAV: NO ONE IN VALLEY SEEM TO MOURN INCLUDING PDP …BUT ARE HAPPY AND BREATHING SIGH OF RELEIF.
I DON’T KNOW PEOPLE TO REACT THE WAY THEY ARE REACTING COULD BE SEVERAL REASONS